Model is 5'4", binding, and wearing a 1X.
Model is 5'9", binding, and wearing a M.
Model is 5'9", binding, and wearing a M.
Model is 5'4", binding, and wearing a 1x.
Model is 5'9", binding, and wearing a M.
Model is 5'6", has had top surgery, and is wearing a M.
Model is 5'9", binding, and wearing a M.
Model is 5'4", binding, and wearing a 1X.
Elmo
You asked, we created!
Welcome to our Elmo hoodie, a lux, heavy weight hoody perfect for AFAB bodies.
This hoodie has the same adjusted body proportions you've come to love in our shirts, with a shorter torso and arm length. We've also removed elastic from the bottom rib, for max freedom of movement around the hips. Made with sensory-friendly 100% cotton.
Customer Reviews
This sweater is so comfortable! It's so soft. I think the best part is that there is no elastic at the bottom so it does not hug your hips or bunch up too. The length is great, I was a bit worried since I am on the taller side but no issues! Sweaters can always be a hit or miss for me, and this one was definitely a hit!
It's ok. The arm length was nice, but the overall feel of the hoodie is nothing to write home about. The elastic on the bottom feels similar to products I've purchased from Nike.
Hey there! Sorry to hear it wasn't your fav. We're curious to hear what you mean about elastic at the bottom though, as we very intentionally have no elastic in the hem (so as to avoid bunching at the hips). Could you please give us some more insight? :)
When I first bought this I fell in love straight away that I ordered a second! The quality is amazing and love the length definitely a go to staple!
Literally the comfiest hoodie I've ever worn! I was sad every time I had to take it off.
As a genderqueer person, it was so nice to have it de-emphasize my hips and chest! I felt like I could just BE, without the weird expectations of gender presentation. No regrets.
This is the coziest hoodie and most gender affirming one too! I’m 5’9”, 195 lbs, and this hoodie fits me so well. It doesn’t emphasize my hips like women’s hoodies, but it also doesn’t ride up like men’s hoodies or look baggy. It actually fits well. Also, it’s very soft and warm! Highly recommend, even as somehow with very wide hips and bigger butt.
What’s different about Both&’s designs?
We’ve spent the last year doing extensive research in order to begin developing a fit and size system not based off of the binary. By using thousands of responses to our surveys and interviewing more than 500 members of our community, we’ve come up with a new ratio of length to width that is entirely different than what can be found in cisgendered clothing.
We have now expanded our research and patterns to design not only shirts but swimwear, pants, and hoodies.
Are your clothes worth the cost?
Quality + ethics = cost. We understand that our products can be a financial stretch for folks in the community, but we are not willing to compromise on providing the best fit, in the highest quality materials, made in a way that is good for you, workers, and the planet. Our hope isn't that you buy dozens of Both& tees, quickly wearing them out or throwing them away. Our hope is that you purchase a thoughtful baseline wardrobe of Both& products that bring you gender joy and last for years to come.
How do I know which garment is right for me?
Each of our shirts has been designed with different primary goals in mind. We recommend that you:
- Read the product description for each shirt, and
- Look through the full gallery of images, including the fit guide at the end.
If you are still struggling, feel free to reach out to us at hello@bothandapparel.com and we will be happy to help.
How do I find the right size?
As a general rule of thumb, we recommend that you order on the larger size of what you would buy in a cis male department. So, if you normally buy either M or L, we recommend L. We also have a size guide with measurements, and are also happy to help over email: hello@bothandapparel.com.
How long does shipping take?
Depending on your location, orders are usually processed within 24 hours and then shipped out. Delivery can sometimes be delayed due to supply chain issues, but most customers receive the shirts within 4-5 days of shipment.
Where is my order?
Once your order has shipped, you’ll get a shipped order email including a tracking number. If there are any problems, email us at hello@bothandapparel.com and we'll gladly help you out!
Do you require a signature for packages?
No, we do not! You will receive an email that says your order has been delivered. If you get the email, but do not see your parcel, please email us at hello@bothandapparel.com
What’s your return policy?
We accept returns of unworn items within 28 days. To read our policies and initiate a return/exchange, please visit our returns page.
Please note that due to the cost of shipping and handling for both us and our customers and the likelihood of lost packages, we do not accept international returns. If you have an unusual situation, please reach out and we will do our best to accommodate.
Do you offer free shipping?
We offer free shipping on domestic orders over $150.
Do you ship internationally?
Yes, but international customers are responsible to pay for shipping and duties up front, which can be quite expensive. We apologize in advance for how much is charged on international shipping these days — this is entirely out of our control, but we want to ensure that our garments are available to folks anywhere. We do not accept returns from outside of the US.
If I identify as cisgender, can I still wear your clothes?
Of course! We have tested the fit of our shirts on a number of cisgendered folks and had great results. The Khazeel and the Arthur in particular, are fantastic, stylistic fits for all bodies.
How can I help with the research?
We would love it if you spent five minutes filling out this survey. The best way to keep up with our research is by following us on Instagram and joining our email list.
I love what you’re doing. How can I get involved?
Both& is truly a community, and we wouldn’t be where we are without such an engaged and supportive network of people. If you would like to get on our waitlist for our photo-journalism series, share your story, suggest a design idea, offer financial support, or otherwise get involved, please feel free to reach out to us either through our email hello@bothandapparel.com, or DM us on Instagram @bothandapparel.
What If I just want to brighten someone's day with clothes?
You can make a donation to our pay it forward program at Both&. This enables us to send free shirts to a growing list of people who will benefit from the garments and are not currently in a financial position to afford them. If you are in a position to do so, this is a wonderful way to support the community and support small business.
Do you ship orders to the UK & EU? If so, how will orders be shipped?
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You may initiate a return or exchange through Loop here:
https://bothandapparel.loopreturns.com/#/
Return & Exchange Policy
We accept domestic returns and exchanges within 28 days of receiving your package. You can return your product for store credit, refund to the original payment method, or exchange your product. If you choose to refund to original payment, you will receive your refund after the warehouse has received and processed your products. Returns and exchanges shipping and handling fees will be deducted from your refund.
Due to the cost of shipping and handling for both us and our customers and the likelihood of lost packages, we do not accept international returns. If you have an unusual situation, please reach out and we will do our best to accommodate.
Please make sure you use your label within the 28 days. We cannot send new shipping labels.
Return Exceptions
- Product must have no visible sign of wear or tear, and
- Still have original tags
- We cannot accept returns on the Elliot, the Romeo Swim, or the Both& Swim Kit after any use. Please ensure you order the right size by following the sizing chart. If you have any questions about sizing and fit, email hello@bothandapparel.com and we will gladly help.
Customer Reviews
This sweater is so comfortable! It's so soft. I think the best part is that there is no elastic at the bottom so it does not hug your hips or bunch up too. The length is great, I was a bit worried since I am on the taller side but no issues! Sweaters can always be a hit or miss for me, and this one was definitely a hit!
It's ok. The arm length was nice, but the overall feel of the hoodie is nothing to write home about. The elastic on the bottom feels similar to products I've purchased from Nike.
Hey there! Sorry to hear it wasn't your fav. We're curious to hear what you mean about elastic at the bottom though, as we very intentionally have no elastic in the hem (so as to avoid bunching at the hips). Could you please give us some more insight? :)
When I first bought this I fell in love straight away that I ordered a second! The quality is amazing and love the length definitely a go to staple!
Literally the comfiest hoodie I've ever worn! I was sad every time I had to take it off.
As a genderqueer person, it was so nice to have it de-emphasize my hips and chest! I felt like I could just BE, without the weird expectations of gender presentation. No regrets.
This is the coziest hoodie and most gender affirming one too! I’m 5’9”, 195 lbs, and this hoodie fits me so well. It doesn’t emphasize my hips like women’s hoodies, but it also doesn’t ride up like men’s hoodies or look baggy. It actually fits well. Also, it’s very soft and warm! Highly recommend, even as somehow with very wide hips and bigger butt.
